A Tale Of Two Fundamentalists
Yep, just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...you can trust some senior member of the Religion of Peace to open his bearded mouth and explain how yet another group of people in the world deserve what they get, even if what they are getting from his followers is extreme violence and in this case rape and sexual assault.
While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".
The 'merciless' sentence in the Bilal Skaf case that Hilali refers to (which became a byword of what passes for Islamic humour to the Muslims of Cronulla, as in the funnies of surrounding a bikini-clad bather and commenting loudly how she 'might just be worth 55 years' in that Peaceful way we know and love) took place immediately before the renewed attacks on lifeguards that sparked the Cronulla riots in suburban Sydney, where years of gang rapes, sexual assaults, harassment and violence by 'youths of a certain ethnic origin' culminated in 5000 jackboot clad neo-Nazis apparently materialising out of thin air and chasing off their tormentors whilst chanting paeans to Hitler. Or for those of us not choosing to accept the MSM's version, the local population of all races, nationalities and creeds except that certain origin came together for once and took back the beaches their Police had given up on policing.
The senior member of the RoP speaking those words in this case is one Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, Australia's senior 'mufti' or religious leader. Just to make sure we dont mistake his inference about immodestly dressed women for something as gentle as mild sexism, he goes for broke and makes it clear that his is the kind of misogyny most of us gave up around the 7th Century. Ah, wait, I knew there was a clue there...
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.
"It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."
Now granted to some of his congregation may feel about as obligated to listen to him as British Protestants do to Rowan 'medals from terrorists' Williams, but none of the 500-strong congregation seems to have felt the need to dissent all that loudly. And we know, because the sermon during which he made the comments was recorded, that the usual accusations of Zionost plots and the like dont really work in this case...
Its funny though. When he does realise he is being recorded, the mufti's attitude towards women seems rather different...
Revelation of the mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilali said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims."
"There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims."
Oopsy. So when the cameras are rolling, wife-beaters, gang-rapists and misogyny are beyond the pale and so their perpetrators. But when he is 'amongst friends'...let's just go over that again shall we?
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.
Which, in the interests of balance, brings us to Fundamentalist Number 2.
I wonder if Julie Bindel will be jumping all over this story the same way she does other aspects of the crime of rape...somehow I find it in me to doubt it. From her despicable utterances in the Guardian (where else?) article that the Humble Devil uncovered (and characteristically I see he is all over this story as well) I would guess not. After all the assertion that mobile phone footage of an alleged rape victim masturbating and giving head to one of her alleged attackers is merely "evidence" as opposed to, you know, Evidence, would seem to indicate that she is not a woman prepared to believe anything as flimsy as the things people actually do and say.
"If more cases such as Shabnam's occur, we may as well forget about the criminal justice system and train groups of vigilantes to exact revenge and, hopefully, deter attacks."
Riiiiight. So here's a misogynist arguing that women who step outside of the bedroom wearing anything but full body armour are 'uncovered meat', and a misandrist arguing that gangs of Amazonian harridans should patrol the streets with torches and pitchforks searching for anyone insane enough to give them a wink.
No, no fundamentalism at all on this issue then.
UPDATE: Via an email from Daydreamer of Oz, we have Al-Beeb's reaction to this story. And sure enough, rather than being a strident condemnation of excusal of and near-incitiement to gang rape, it is instead yet another tale of Islamic victimhood.
"Australia's Muslims Fear Backlash."
You really just could not make this up.
BREAKING NEWS: The swine has stepped down after collapsing under mysterious circumstances.
He was due to meet Tom Zreika, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, to discuss calls for his resignation, but fell ill during talks.
Interesting wording there, no? If he hadnt met Zreika yet, who was he 'talking' with when he 'fell ill'? I don't think we've heard the last of this one yet somehow...
While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".
The 'merciless' sentence in the Bilal Skaf case that Hilali refers to (which became a byword of what passes for Islamic humour to the Muslims of Cronulla, as in the funnies of surrounding a bikini-clad bather and commenting loudly how she 'might just be worth 55 years' in that Peaceful way we know and love) took place immediately before the renewed attacks on lifeguards that sparked the Cronulla riots in suburban Sydney, where years of gang rapes, sexual assaults, harassment and violence by 'youths of a certain ethnic origin' culminated in 5000 jackboot clad neo-Nazis apparently materialising out of thin air and chasing off their tormentors whilst chanting paeans to Hitler. Or for those of us not choosing to accept the MSM's version, the local population of all races, nationalities and creeds except that certain origin came together for once and took back the beaches their Police had given up on policing.
The senior member of the RoP speaking those words in this case is one Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, Australia's senior 'mufti' or religious leader. Just to make sure we dont mistake his inference about immodestly dressed women for something as gentle as mild sexism, he goes for broke and makes it clear that his is the kind of misogyny most of us gave up around the 7th Century. Ah, wait, I knew there was a clue there...
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.
"It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."
Now granted to some of his congregation may feel about as obligated to listen to him as British Protestants do to Rowan 'medals from terrorists' Williams, but none of the 500-strong congregation seems to have felt the need to dissent all that loudly. And we know, because the sermon during which he made the comments was recorded, that the usual accusations of Zionost plots and the like dont really work in this case...
Its funny though. When he does realise he is being recorded, the mufti's attitude towards women seems rather different...
Revelation of the mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilali said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims."
"There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims."
Oopsy. So when the cameras are rolling, wife-beaters, gang-rapists and misogyny are beyond the pale and so their perpetrators. But when he is 'amongst friends'...let's just go over that again shall we?
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.
Which, in the interests of balance, brings us to Fundamentalist Number 2.
I wonder if Julie Bindel will be jumping all over this story the same way she does other aspects of the crime of rape...somehow I find it in me to doubt it. From her despicable utterances in the Guardian (where else?) article that the Humble Devil uncovered (and characteristically I see he is all over this story as well) I would guess not. After all the assertion that mobile phone footage of an alleged rape victim masturbating and giving head to one of her alleged attackers is merely "evidence" as opposed to, you know, Evidence, would seem to indicate that she is not a woman prepared to believe anything as flimsy as the things people actually do and say.
"If more cases such as Shabnam's occur, we may as well forget about the criminal justice system and train groups of vigilantes to exact revenge and, hopefully, deter attacks."
Riiiiight. So here's a misogynist arguing that women who step outside of the bedroom wearing anything but full body armour are 'uncovered meat', and a misandrist arguing that gangs of Amazonian harridans should patrol the streets with torches and pitchforks searching for anyone insane enough to give them a wink.
No, no fundamentalism at all on this issue then.
UPDATE: Via an email from Daydreamer of Oz, we have Al-Beeb's reaction to this story. And sure enough, rather than being a strident condemnation of excusal of and near-incitiement to gang rape, it is instead yet another tale of Islamic victimhood.
"Australia's Muslims Fear Backlash."
You really just could not make this up.
BREAKING NEWS: The swine has stepped down after collapsing under mysterious circumstances.
He was due to meet Tom Zreika, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, to discuss calls for his resignation, but fell ill during talks.
Interesting wording there, no? If he hadnt met Zreika yet, who was he 'talking' with when he 'fell ill'? I don't think we've heard the last of this one yet somehow...
posted by Dangerouslysubversivedad at 3:50 PM
5 Comments:
Great post, DSD.
I just heard on the news that the Muslim community is "rethinking" their decision not to sack their 'leader'.
But as you pointed out, if the *moderate* Muslims disagree with his words, why are they not speaking out about it?
There have been calls for his deportation and I think that is appropriate. If he (anyone) can't respect the laws of this country (like the one that says women can wear whatever the hell they want & not be attacked) then he/they need to piss off.
Well to be fair some of the Mulsim community DID go on the record attacking him (though Waleed Ali the only male quoted is another one of those who says very different things on camera as opposed to off), but unfortunately the Muslim leaders who it seems theoretically have the power to 'fire' him have decided that his feeble explanations of innocence are enough and have left him alone.
You're right. There's been a few on the radio & tv that I've seen but most certainly not enough. When I said that they are not speaking up I was thinking more along the lines of en masse - which is what should happen in my opinion.
The fact that they are waiting to see if it will go away before they do get rid of him gives the appearance that the statements are supported by the community.
Hi DD :). DSD, House of dumb did an excellent fisking of this story here;
http://houseofdumb.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html#2396192085968598356
Heh, yes it is rather good isnt it?
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