That's It. You Lost Me, Right There.
Its funny how the small things can be the tipping points. But they are nonetheless important for all that. As Laban Tall rightly points out, there appears to be very little difference between the anti-semitic themes of Left and Right nowadays. The BNP leopard has pretended to change its spots, but whether or not the rhetoric is as violent and vicious as in days gone by, I have been watching the same tired old themes of BNP anti-semitism play themselves out in recent weeks nonetheless. Its the 'Zionist Lobby', the 'neocons', the idea that attacking Iran is a bad idea because...well its what the Jews must want so there must be something wrong with it, right?
I am, as many have observed, a very very angry person. Once upon a time I was a very angry young person who saw his country being raped and his culture murdered, and felt that everyone but those who were standing against that destruction was the enemy. It took me a while to see through what it was they were standing for as well as against, and find out that it was every bit as abhorrent to me as the things I was fighting against. But I learned my lesson.
I really wanted it to be true now, that in the BNP there was a Party that would grow out of its lunatic roots and take a moral stand against the corruption of our country, the degeneration of our morality, the rape and murder of our culture. But it is not to be, I am very much afraid.
You see, I realised something a while back. I may agree with fighting the influence of Islam with every breath in my body, with fighting the Leftist grip on the media, with ending positive discrimination in all its pernicious forms, and yes I do find that I sometimes think things which are sweeping, all-inclusive and target all of a certain group or groups with the same brush. And when I do, I mentally slap myself down and thank my lucky stars for the one thing which keeps me grounded.
My Zionism.
Its my Zionism that keeps me on the straight and narrow. Its my Zionism that keeps me from saying 'its them and us, and only us' every time I see another white man in Court on trumped up charges, or yet another white boy or girl murdered by 'ethnics' as the BNP parlance would have it and ignored by the same media that screams the reverse from the rooftops every time anyone of my ethnic group even looks at somebody from another in the wrong way. Its my Zionism that reminds me where the BNP came from and where, yes, they are still mired no matter how much many of us would desperately like to believe they are not.
So I may rejoin UKIP now Farage has seemingly woken up to what he needs to do to turn them into a true professional Party and a credible force in British politics. I may avoid Party Politics altogether for some time once more. But whatever else happens, one thing is for sure.
I will NOT be voting BNP.
I am, as many have observed, a very very angry person. Once upon a time I was a very angry young person who saw his country being raped and his culture murdered, and felt that everyone but those who were standing against that destruction was the enemy. It took me a while to see through what it was they were standing for as well as against, and find out that it was every bit as abhorrent to me as the things I was fighting against. But I learned my lesson.
I really wanted it to be true now, that in the BNP there was a Party that would grow out of its lunatic roots and take a moral stand against the corruption of our country, the degeneration of our morality, the rape and murder of our culture. But it is not to be, I am very much afraid.
You see, I realised something a while back. I may agree with fighting the influence of Islam with every breath in my body, with fighting the Leftist grip on the media, with ending positive discrimination in all its pernicious forms, and yes I do find that I sometimes think things which are sweeping, all-inclusive and target all of a certain group or groups with the same brush. And when I do, I mentally slap myself down and thank my lucky stars for the one thing which keeps me grounded.
My Zionism.
Its my Zionism that keeps me on the straight and narrow. Its my Zionism that keeps me from saying 'its them and us, and only us' every time I see another white man in Court on trumped up charges, or yet another white boy or girl murdered by 'ethnics' as the BNP parlance would have it and ignored by the same media that screams the reverse from the rooftops every time anyone of my ethnic group even looks at somebody from another in the wrong way. Its my Zionism that reminds me where the BNP came from and where, yes, they are still mired no matter how much many of us would desperately like to believe they are not.
So I may rejoin UKIP now Farage has seemingly woken up to what he needs to do to turn them into a true professional Party and a credible force in British politics. I may avoid Party Politics altogether for some time once more. But whatever else happens, one thing is for sure.
I will NOT be voting BNP.
posted by Dangerouslysubversivedad at 7:04 PM
19 Comments:
Bugger.
This post has troubled me for the last hour and a half. I took my dog out in the rain and mulled it over, (poor dag) though i hadnt had time to see the laban link you had placed there.
Now i have seen the laban link im not quite so troubled, because i can say that at least what triggered this decision isnt a revelation to me (i read that article and grimmaced too), though it is indicative of what I dont like in the party too.
I just think your wrong. Britain is dying a sorry death and we need to pull together. I can't see UKIP fulfilling the bill, because if it went that road it would lose MKPdavies and Anthony Butcher et all and en masse, making it a smaller party than us, potentially splitting our vote and party, and not helping matters as a result.
I disagree with the BNP on foreign policy but as its not the reason i signed up i dont much mind in practical terms as there's a looong way to go yet. Having said that and for the reason you eliquently stated, Zionism - and in turn juedeo-christian morality, which go hand in glove - is a moral force for British patriotism, just as the fact we are less inteligent than asians should be a humanising one.
I wish you had come down on this differently. Without people like you, our growth and change will be stunted. My loyalty is to myself, my family, logic, reason, right and wrong and Britain. Zionism flows from that, as does a healthy, racially harmonious and traditionaly Christian Britain, and ive put my money on the BNP being the best vehicle to make my voice heard in this regard. If i thought UKIP or the conservatives were the right party to achieve this, id swap in a heartbeat if they would have me.
I just dont.
I respect what you say and have given it some thought, but think your wrong in terms of the bigger picture.
Ghandi said "First, they ignore you. Then, they mock you. Then, they attack you. Then, you win". And that means we are one step ahead of UKIP for now, eh?
Best wishes and God bless,
Gareth.
Thought I'd return the compliment.
Zionism is not at all what you think it is, DSD. It isn't a mark of the moral man. You have internalised a deeply subversive idea.
Zionism is the acme of Jewish nationalism - which corrosive phenomenon includes Marxism (or, indeed, any liberal philosophy that tends towards our atomisation), support for open borders in all European societies (but not in Israel) and panmixia (but not in Israel - see the current Alon Ziv thread at MR).
The man who says I support Zionism without first qualifying that support has already allowed his own Ethnic Genetic Interest to be supplanted by Jewish Ethnic Genetic Interest. I commend you to be more discriminative and true only to yourself.
It happens that I loosely support the existence of Israel because I don't want the Jewish double-standard to attach to me. But that's it. In every other respect I support, advocate, agitate for and love my own people ... and oppose all the innumerable and, sadly, Jewish-authored assaults on them.
As for the BNP, it is the only vehicle that can run on our EGI. You and I are both Dad's, though I am somewhat older than you. I want our children to enjoy and, in turn, pass-on their birthright. That is our ultimate interest as Englishmen. Everything else - prosperity, Europe, the NHS, everything - is merely proximate.
Pursue that ultimate ethnic genetic interest, or you are not helping us to avert the demographic disaster all Jewish nationalists wish upon us.
GuessedWorker,
That kind of anti-Jewish pseudo-Nazi claptrap is precisely the reason I wont be voting BNP.
Jewish Nationalists wishing us a demographic disaster, Zionism is Marxist, 'Jewish-authored assaults on our people' - this is just Mein Kampf for 2006 with longer words to make it sound clever and words like 'sadly' in it to try and make it sound as if you are regretful about your Jew-hatred. You can dress it up with pretty words and put a suit instead of combat boots on it, but its just bad old-fashioned Nazi bullshit.
Its people exactly like you who are the reason I have ended what someone once called my 'flirtation' with the BNP.
DSD,
You are simply, completely lost in wilfull ignorance. But I won't set about proving the nature of Jewish nationalism among the diaspora. People of sound judgement and intelligence can and should pursue the golden thread. In your case, I will restrict myself to challenging you on your moral constitution.
Let's look at that short reply of yours. Really, "anti-Jewish pseudo-Nazi claptrap" is not an argument. It is emotionalism founded, quite clearly, on a dearly-held belief.
What is that belief and from whence did it come?
I'll tell you. That belief is not the thought of an independent mind turned healthily to preserving and advancing the interests of the English. It is the thought of a mind that has internalised certain assumptions and values which do not preserve and protect us, but preserve and protect another living amongst us. In other words it does not arise in our natures but has been encultured. It does not arise in your nature. You have learned this belief by its constant repetition. There is no moral worth in it for us. At best, it is an exercise in liberal sanctimony at the expense of ethnic preservation.
Try to understand. You have been taken in. There is no great Nazi evil attached to preserving and advancing our ethnic interests ... no special moral worth in protecting Jews from our terrible, destructive natures, etc. It's a slur on us, a blood libel.
You can't support two ethnic nationalisms, because ethnic nationalisms in the same living space always conflict. Jewish ethnic nationalism is, as any intelligent person can easily discover, competitive in the extreme and harmful to the same degree.
Wake up.
I still intend to vote BNP at the next available opportunity but, having said that, I'm still a little unsure about their foreign policy. I've a feeling you're mistaking their distrust of some elements of Zionism with hatred of all Jews. In a similar vein Nick Griffin is always at pains to point out it's Islam with which he has a problem and not necessarily individual Muslims. I think the BNP has begun to change and their position regarding Iran, Iraq, Israel etc is at least consistent with their foreign policy aims. I don't think it's Israel in particular they want to avoid getting involved with. The following is taken from their website.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm#foreign
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!
Britain's foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations' internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the 'international community', or any other country.
With regards to the Middle East in particular I'd be interested in your thoughts on the following.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/middle+east+neutrality.html
Although I sympathise with the position that the BNP have taken I also understand that radical Islam wants to utterly destroy Israel (witness the stated aims of Hamas, Hezbolla and Ahmadinejad http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013687.php#comments ). Surely there must be times when we can't just stand by and watch others be threatened or even massacred by others. Particularly if it potentially strengthens the worldwide Jihad. I may not be an out and out Zionist and I may harbour some doubts about Israel actions past and present but I still think we should help in the future defence of Israel. Rather than disown the BNP I shall endeavour to argue my position because, I'm afraid to say, I'm far more concerned about the situation in the England, Britain, that I love and I see the BNP as a hope against hope that things may improve.
Back to Laban's original post I think there are numerous subtle differences between the Socialist Workers stance and that of the BNP's but this post is already long enough. One final thing, maybe the BNP aren't that far off after all. There's a powerful arguement expressed in various Jihad Watch articles that we should pull out from the Iraq and the Middle East (or at least pull back to Kurdish territory) and leave them all to the inevitable civil war that would likely ensue. It's all much better explained here http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011840.php
Discuss?
Guessedworker,
I havent learned anything by repetition - this from the guy who uses every stock Nazified phrase apart from the REALLY fun one about the 'Holohoax'.
"Zionism is the acme of Jewish nationalism - which corrosive phenomenon includes Marxism."
Communism is controlled by the Jews. Straight out of Mein Kampf.
"In every other respect I support, advocate, agitate for and love my own people ... and oppose all the innumerable and, sadly, Jewish-authored assaults on them."
'Jewish-authored assaults'? No, no mindless Nazi rubbish there then. Obviously I'm the one with the closed mind after all, how could I not see that all the bad things that have been happening to my country werent down to the Left, the EU and our compliant politicians, but were actually all those scheming Joooooz fault?
Cor blimey guvnor, you've right opened my eyes now. I can feel my patriotic right hand raising up in salute already.
"You can't support two ethnic nationalisms, because ethnic nationalisms in the same living space always conflict."
Bollocks do they. Jews havent harmed Britain by being here, though I'm sure you'd peddle the Nazi bullshit that they have caused World War 2 which should have been avoided blah de fucking blah. Dont think Hindus, Jains or Sikhs have caused us any serious issues either, though I'm sure you'd disagree.
I am not a racist. You are. You conflate Englishness absolutely with 'White European' Ethnicity. I absolutely don't. That's the simple truth.
You can argue the pros and cons of those two positions, but I seriously doubt either of us will be able to convince the other. To you I am and always will be a 'race traitor' because I am an English Zionist and do not have any special attachment to my 'race'. To me you will always be a Nazi muppet who knows how to dress it up with pretty sounding phrases like 'Ethnic Genetic Interest'.
And I cannot imagine that ever the twain shall meet.
DSD, did Israel not destroy Iraqs nuclear programme?
Good thing I'd say.
Stating that they want to do the same to Iran is not anti-semitism, it is recognising reality, they see it as a threat and rightly so.
I've never voted BNP before, I don't like the BNP, but could they be as damaging to the English as the Lib Lab Con?
The ideal situation for me would be if UKIP became a strong party but I just don't think that will happen because many of them are ex-Conservatives who don't want to be serious rivals to the Conservative party imo.
Along with other reasons, such as being extremely hard to sell their message in the current media enviroment.
Guardian apostate said;
"Rather than disown the BNP I shall endeavour to argue my position because, I'm afraid to say, I'm far more concerned about the situation in the England, Britain, that I love and I see the BNP as a hope against hope that things may improve."
Yup, couldnt agree more.
DSD,
On the politics of English preservation ...
Are you ethnically English?
Do you think the English have the same right to pursue their own ethnic survival as any other people?
Do you think the English have the right to live sovereign in their own homeland and to evict whichever aliens they so choose? Or do you think the English have a moral obligation to accept aliens whether they like them or not?
Do you know any non-English ethnies who would answer "Yes and "No" to those last questions respectively?
Do you know any non-English ethnies who would commend mass English migration to their own homelands?
Did you know that India operates an official Brown India immigration policy? Did you know that Israeli law forbids sexual relations between Caucasian Jews and Falashas?
Do you understand the near-term consequences of a mass presence of non-English ethnies upon living space (well that one's easy, DSD!) and upon our cultural and political mores? Do you understand that this has nothing to do with whether these ethnies are polite and peaceful, like Jains, Hindus and Sikhs, or difficult like Moslems?
Do you understand the concepts of gene flow, heritability and climate-driven human-biodiversity?
Do you understand that in the current social climate the English will become genetically much changed and, in the long-term, even lost forever as a distinct ethny?
On the nature of suggestibility ...
Where did you acquire the words "Racist" and "Nazi" to describe a Conservative and English nationalist? Do you understand the use of slurs to put an opponent's argument beyond public consideration? (Not really an opononent, btw)
Why have you immediately leapt to the extreme in characterising my attitude - which is the normal, healthy attitude that existed in the England of my 1950's childhood and which, in fact, still informs the whole non-Western world today? Do you understand the use of the "strawman" to escape the obligation of giving a substantive reply?
Why do you decry political correctness in others but not in yourself, where it becomes "moral" and "Zionism"?
Why are you driven by emotion in your responses to my comments? (Careful of that one - it's a hand grenade.)
Do you understand the difference between the ultimate interest of ethnic preservation and the proximate or secondary interest of, for example, support for Israel? Do you understand that the first exceeds the second in meaning by several degrees of magnitude?
And one last question ... why don't you come over to majorityrights.com more often. Argue your case with others than myself, if you don't like my usage of the language. Out of heat comes light.
Good luck to you anyway.
GuessedWorker,
On the politics of English preservation ...
Are you ethnically English?
By your lights yes. I prefer the term 'English' because I dont feel my ethnicity (and let's not beat about the bush here and just say 'race') has any bearing on it.
Do you think the English have the same right to pursue their own ethnic survival as any other people?
Our cultural survival, yes. But you conflate culture with race, which I do not.
Do you think the English have the right to live sovereign in their own homeland and to evict whichever aliens they so choose? Or do you think the English have a moral obligation to accept aliens whether they like them or not?
Yes. But a legally British citizen is not an alien just because he isnt the same 'ethnicity' as you or I. And no, I am against further immigration to this country except where it can be proven the person in question will being economic value to Britain.
Do you know any non-English ethnies who would answer "Yes and "No" to those last questions respectively?
Yes, I do. Plenty of other nations, races etc respect our right to sovereign borders, in fact they tend to think we are a bit daft for not having them.
Do you know any non-English ethnies who would commend mass English migration to their own homelands?
Not many, no.
Did you know that India operates an official Brown India immigration policy?
And...
Did you know that Israeli law forbids sexual relations between Caucasian Jews and Falashas?
I'd like some evidence of that one, and I dont mean your back issues of Spearhead either.
Do you understand the near-term consequences of a mass presence of non-English ethnies upon living space (well that one's easy, DSD!) and upon our cultural and political mores? Do you understand that this has nothing to do with whether these ethnies are polite and peaceful, like Jains, Hindus and Sikhs, or difficult like Moslems?
Yes I do - and no, I dont, because I dont believe that the latter argument is correct. If 'ethnics' choose to live by our culture, our rules, work hard, pay taxes and retain elements of their own religion and identity, good luck to them. The only issue I have with any ethnic group is one that either refuses to assimilate and/or demands its own set of rules and laws to live by outside of those our culture already possesses. Which I do not believe any of the above ethnic groups do.
Do you understand the concepts of gene flow, heritability and climate-driven human-biodiversity?
Do you understand that in the current social climate the English will become genetically much changed and, in the long-term, even lost forever as a distinct ethny?
This may well be true. But you mean 'white people in England', not English. I dont much care about some mythical 'white race' except that it means in 2006 that a huge chunk of English people are persecuted and discriminated against because they fall into that 'ethnicity'. You are confusing me with someone who actually thinks race is as important as culture. But I'm afraid I don't have some messianic creed of racial purity, just that I think whats happening to white people in Britain is wrong.
On the nature of suggestibility ...
Where did you acquire the words "Racist" and "Nazi" to describe a Conservative and English nationalist? Do you understand the use of slurs to put an opponent's argument beyond public consideration? (Not really an opononent, btw)
Because you spout racist and Nazified propaganda. Racial purity, 'Jewish-authored assaults' you have conjured out of the air, it really does sound like a Streicher pamphlet.
Why have you immediately leapt to the extreme in characterising my attitude - which is the normal, healthy attitude that existed in the England of my 1950's childhood and which, in fact, still informs the whole non-Western world today?
Because your attitude is extreme, and racist. To me, there is little difference between you and a Muslim fundamentalist except that the Muslim is a more immediate threat to me and mine.
Do you understand the use of the "strawman" to escape the obligation of giving a substantive reply?
Yes. But saying I think your utterances sound like Nazism and therefore you are a Nazi isnt strawman argument, its just logic.
Why do you decry political correctness in others but not in yourself, where it becomes "moral" and "Zionism"?
If in this day and age you equate PC with SUPPORT for Israel then you really do have the blinkers well and truly on.
Why are you driven by emotion in your responses to my comments? (Careful of that one - it's a hand grenade.)
Because I hate Nazis. Go figure.
Do you understand the difference between the ultimate interest of ethnic preservation and the proximate or secondary interest of, for example, support for Israel? Do you understand that the first exceeds the second in meaning by several degrees of magnitude?
Only for you. For me morals are morals - I can both support Israel and fight to preserve my culture, in fact in this fight its amazing how often the enemy is EXACTLY the same in both instances.
And one last question ... why don't you come over to majorityrights.com more often. Argue your case with others than myself, if you don't like my usage of the language. Out of heat comes light.
Good luck to you anyway.
I may pop over from time to time. It'll be blood on the keyboard though...
Guardian Apostate (great name btw)and Gareth,
""Rather than disown the BNP I shall endeavour to argue my position because, I'm afraid to say, I'm far more concerned about the situation in the England, Britain, that I love and I see the BNP as a hope against hope that things may improve."
I've heard those words soooo many times before. Insert 'the Conservative Party' where it says BNP. Think about it.
Dave,
"The ideal situation for me would be if UKIP became a strong party but I just don't think that will happen because many of them are ex-Conservatives who don't want to be serious rivals to the Conservative party imo."
There's a grain of truth there for sure Dave. However to a large extent those in that category have now left UKIP. Its leaner and meaner now, the serious whinging troublemakers left with Kilroy to join Veritas and One London and there is more pulling together now. And by the way, you'd be surprised at the number of ex Lib-Dems who are GENUINE Liberals (as opposed to the usual utterly illiberal kind) there are on the UKIP books.
I think I'm going to start a new thread for this actually as it has got somewhat out of hand now. Feel free to jump in on it and I'll try and keep things a bit better organised :)
Thanks, DSD, for the replies. Let's now knock four strawmen on the head.
First, the English are NOT a race and, obviously, I do not use the word to describe us. Northern Europeans are a race. It is interesting and true that, genetically, the English are, among Northern Europeans, relatively unmixed. The old sore one so often hears about "a nation of immigrants" or "mongrels" is a lie serving anti-English interests.
As a genetically distinct people our name, "English", is important. We are not Africans or Sub-Continenantals, or Slavs or Turkics or whatever. Those peoples living among us already have names. They can't take ours. Their EU passport give them only British nationality. Britain is a political state, not an ethnic nation contiguous with a single land area.
You are I are English. This we must defend, or we are as nothing.
Second, culture is not transferable between peoples. It isn't amenable to a mass choice in the liberal-political sense because, in the aggregate, human difference counts in all manner of ways - some of them infinitesimal, but many are not. Peoples aren’t cultural sponges. They are cultural producers. Culture and ethny - or genetic distinctiveness - are inextricably linked, and there has been good research reported by John Ray at MR on this linkage.
Whilst the very existence of human difference has been denied by the left through the “work” of people like Boas, Montague, Lewontin, Gould, Diamond, Wise and many more - almost all Jews - and the defence of our people has been equated with the blackest version of Auschwitz - you have more or less just done it yourself - culture has been the real pressure point. You don’t need me to tell you to what ends the agencies of identity politics and linguistic fascism have been employed. Before that process, our culture was a separator, a discriminative filter through which to see the world. For two decades official neo-Marxism has gone at it like a can opener. Now, our culture offers us, as Englishmen, nothing uniquely of our selves. It has become a capacious open bag with a small, dark, despised compartment where we may still mourn our one-time hegemon.
So, please, do not offer me culture as a definition of Englishness that includes rutting blacks and Diwali. It is too racist for me to bear.
Third, you HAVE internalised the order of the day. You prove it conclusively through the roughness of your thought and the violence of your language. I call upon you to escape from those shackles of the mind. You have no idea who or what I am, neither have you asked a single question of me to find out. You have simply applied a label ready-made for the occasion. English ethnic preference must, after all, be Nazism. Only logical, right?
Finally, the laws affecting Falasha Mura marriages are Rabbinical, not state legislative. But you must remember that Israel is a fundamentalist religious state. Those laws, btw, involve humiliating rituals and tests for Falashas alone, without the satisfaction of which it is impossible to take out a marriage certficate. Many will not submit to them.
The State has stepped in to wreck out-marriage to Palestinians. The Knesset rushed through a law in 2003 forcing mixed couples to live outside Israel or lead separate lives.
Jews, most of all the Ashkenazim, are the most ethno-centric people in the world. That’s how they have survived for 2000 years in diaspora. Observing the fact and the methods pertaining to it do not constitute immorality for non-Jews. It is important that you grasp that if you are ever to free yourself from your current intellectual box.
"culture is not transferable between peoples."
Yes it is, thats simply not true. I for example work with a woman of Pakistani origin who by your lights is an 'ethnic', 'alien', 'Muslim'. But she is thoroughly secular, prefers not to be called or thought of as Muslim, and considers and conducts herself in as thoroughly English a manner as fish and chips. To me, she is English. To you, she never will be.
"Culture and ethny - or genetic distinctiveness - are inextricably linked"
No they arent. Now thats a strawman of EPIC proportions. How do you explain Black Muslims living alongside Black Christians in the US or Britain? Muslim Arabs living alongside Muslim Iranians (who are NOT racially Arab). Indonesian Muslims who are ethnically nothing like either?
"English ethnic preference must, after all, be Nazism. Only logical, right?"
No, ranting on about 'Jewish-authored assaults' on Britain and 'Ethnic Genetic Interest' is Nazism. Major difference.
"But you must remember that Israel is a fundamentalist religious state."
What utter, utter rubbish. Orthodox Jews make up a tiny fraction of Israel's population, and its religiously oriented political parties are a tiny minority in the Knesset. Religious IDENTITY, not fundamentalism, plays a huge part in Israeli life.
You get that when you're surrounded by millions of people who want to shove you into a shallow grave.
The mean IQ of Pakistan is 81. In assessing the Pakistani population here one must allow for the immigratory filter and then for regression to the mean. I think it highly unlikely that the UK level reaches the 91 indicative of an advanced civilisation, and nowhere close to the European mean.
It is as Heraclitus said, "A man's character is his fate" ... but writ large, of course, across all the people.
In discussing these questions, DSD, we are necessarily dealing with aggregates and averages. Please try to avoid anecdotal evidence which is purely subjective and cannot be extrapolated across the numbers.
I'll give you your point about the "fundamentalist" aspect of Jewry in Israel. Israel is a religious state founded on Jewish law ... OK?
Now, you wrote: "You can get that when you are surrounded by millions of people who want to shovel you into a shallow grave"
This is near to self-hatred and completely verifies my assertion that you are, to use the Gramscian phrase that never was, a "Captured Intellect". What English people have evinced the desire to put Jews in a shallow grave? This is a wondrous slur. And do you understand how you leap ten miles ahead and so fail to engage with what has actually been said? It's very silly.
And since you keep repeating my words on Jewish-authored attacks on European society, would you care to tell me which extanct political philosophy of the left was authored by a European? (I know one and a half!) The latest product off the line is Liquid Modernity or somesuch. All very inventive, I'm sure.
Observing Jewish particularism begins with casting out the fear of devils. They don't exist, and intellectual honesty won't damn you forever in the company of decent men.
You two might be interested in Fjordmans latest post on Gates of Vienna:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/10/caucasophobia-accepted-racism.html
quote: "Noel Ignatiev, former professor at Harvard University, now teaching at the Massachusetts College of Art: “The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.”"
"Israel is a religious state founded on Jewish law ... OK?"
No. It isnt. If it were for example the World Gay Pride march couldnt have been held in Jerusalem.
"Now, you wrote: "You can get that when you are surrounded by millions of people who want to shovel you into a shallow grave"
This is near to self-hatred and completely verifies my assertion that you are, to use the Gramscian phrase that never was, a "Captured Intellect". What English people have evinced the desire to put Jews in a shallow grave?"
Oh come on now. If you couldnt work out from that sentence that I was talking about the Arabs (who, you know, surround Israel) and not English people then you really are just seeing what you want to see arent you?
And as you STILL wish to bang on about Communism all being a Jewish plot well you damn yourself with your own racism. One Jew creates an evil philosophy over a hundred years ago so all Jews are evil? What utter, utter bollocks.
A very interesting - and revealing thread.
Guestworker, do you have a contact email?
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