Peace Activists In Their Natural Habitat
I have always maintained that scum like Christian 'Peace'Makers and the International Solidarity Movement are not peace protesters and are in fact simply supporters of those who war against our society. Normally I'd expect to have to make a fairly detailed argument such as this one to defend that position, but sometimes life just throws you a gift you can't pass up...I have to be honest and admit that I often dont read the Frontpage articles which pass in front of me despite being on their daily mailing list, because they are often far too lengthy and convoluted for a simple soul like me. This one however I thoroughly recommend.
So without further ado...I give you the peace-loving activists of the International Solidarity Movement, who are absolutely to be trusted when they are telling us how it is the Israelis who are the violent ones. Honest.
So without further ado...I give you the peace-loving activists of the International Solidarity Movement, who are absolutely to be trusted when they are telling us how it is the Israelis who are the violent ones. Honest.
posted by Dangerouslysubversivedad at 1:57 PM
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The Israelis have now admitted to carpeting Lebanon with over 1.2 million cluster bombs, and using phosphorus shells. This isn't the wild rantings of some rabid "anti-Semite"; it's been reported in Haaretz.
So much for the theories that Israel is a peaceful nation that merely acts in self-defence, and targets "terrorists" and buildings "suspected of being used to store weapons". The Zionist Mafia must be smarting as its control of the press withers.
Well Poseidon, welcome back, havent seen your Nazi rants here for a while. And I read the report. The 'evidence' contained therein boils down to a reporter from Israel's most rabidly anti-Zionist Leftie newspaper claiming that Israel has fired millions of cluster bombs and phosphorus shells into Lebanon on the word of an unnamed IDF commander whose name we arent even given.
'A former SS Officer who I'm not going to name or identify in any way claims that Poseidon is a Nazi muppet who has taken it up the ass from 1.2 million other Nazi muppets. Poseidon denies this.'
See? I can do it too.
That really is out the other side of feeble.
The trouble with the "1.2 million Nazi muppets" story is that not only do I deny it and the source is anonymous, but there is no corroborating credible evidence reported in the mainstream media from named spokespersons.
CNN / Associated Press reports that Dalya Farran, spokeswoman for the UN, said that there were about 285 cluster bomb locations across south Lebanon, and they were finding new locations at the rate of 30 per day. This report was dated August 26. Another source puts the number of sites at 359 by August 28. By September 9, the number of cluster bomb locations was up to 498 according to Counterpunch, so in fact the increase was only about 15 per day by then. Evidently, Israel used 60% of the cluster bombs in the three days before the ceasefire in a brazen attempt to get as much ethnic cleansing and maiming in while the going was good.
With the Haaretz report claiming 1.2 million cluster bomblets and 1,800 cluster bombs, 498 bombs corresponds to 332,000 bomblets at sites discovered by September 9.
It is unlikely that there was only one bomb per site and all cluster bomb sites were found and logged by September 9, so I would say the 1.2 million estimate is probably the correct order of magnitude. There is little room for the Zionist denier to argue over the figures. Even 332,000 bomblets is rather excessive for taking out a few so-called "terrorists", who only formed Hezbollah after Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.
The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that - far from denying the use of white phosphorus bombs - Israel is actively defending its right to use them. The military uses some feeble excuse about the bombs being supposed to start fires rather than burn people. There are numerous reports of phosphorus usage on Lebanon, and they are not all part of an anti-Semitic conspiracy.
So your sources are:
The UN - which hates Israel and is well knows for its unbiased attitudes, lol.
Electronic Intifada - website of organisations which exist to destroy the Jews.
Counterpunch - well, what can we say about Counterpunch...
The JTA article is much more credible, and it is correct to say that neither cluster bombs or white phosphorus are illegal, and indeed I am perfectly willing to believe that Israel has used one or both of those in Lebanon, but there's just one problem with this whole idea of indiscriminate 'ethnic cleansing'.
Where are all the dead people?
Even the MSM can only scrape together the figure of 1100 dead, and even if we go with the ridiculous fiction that they are all civilians, thats still pretty amazing for a campaign supposedly including all these dastardly weapons in mass quantities, indiscriminate carpet bombing of civilians, refugee convoys being strafed constantly, oh my...
See thats where it all falls down old boy. Israel knows how to shoot straight, and it knows how to fight a proper shooting war should it need to. 1100 dead in this 'genocidal' campaign? If Israel was behaving in the manner you suggest it is, the figure would be a hundred times that.
Poseidon I suspect you are getting a bit too much of a hard-on for cluster bombs.
That 1.2 million is a total for sub-munitions. The IDF couldnt deliver that many cluster bombs, even the US and Russia probably dont have that many right now.
You will now deny this and say that say you meant sub-munitions but by allowing that 1.2 million to stand in your comment allows the implication to float that its 1.2 million cluster bombs implying I dunno umpteen million sub-munitions. And so on...
Im a bit sceptical of that figure anyway. The IDF is not huge and to haul enough bombs to get up to that total they would have to have dropped little else for days.
Cluster bombs are scary because a %age are on timers, to go off some time after being dropped. Many more explode on impact. So out of that 1.2 million many will have gone off already.
Another point about them is they spread the bombload more evenly. A 1000lb cluster bomb might impact an area twice the size of a normal 1000lb bomb, most of the explosive power is wasted.
"nation that merely acts in self-defence" and uses phosphorus shells. And your point is what exactly? If I was defending this country I would use phosphorus shells, so would every other country, in fact every country has used them since WW2 at least, so would Hezbollah. They will certainly have used phosphorus grenades, that OK with you?
So lets gets this straight. Its OK to use a conventional 1000lb bomb, its OK to use a phosphorus grenade. Its not OK to use a 1000lb cluster bomb or 155mm phosphorus shell.
Poseidon - I see you are also mentioning the firestarter qualities of cluster bombs. The cluster bombs with the most sub-munitions are precisely those - @ 2000 sub-munitions per cluster bomb. That makes it a lot easier to reach that 1.2 million total, only 600 bombs, much more within the capabilities of the IDF. Trouble is these tiny pellets dont have the scary genocidal delayed action quality. If they dont hit you when first dropped your in the clear. As napalm isnt allowed these days, the fiddly cluster bomb has to stand in.
Poseidon,
I have not allowed your last comment because rather than sticking to the topic at hand you have gone off on your usual Holocaust-denying tangent, which nonsense I am not interested in propogating.
Dear Poseidon and the other Nazi wanker (if it isnt Poseidon) trying to comment spam this site,
I'm not interested in what you have to say, feel free to keep wasting your time posting but be aware nobody but you will ever see any of the comments except yourself once you've cleaned the sperm off your monitor after getting off a particularly good one about how Jews are even ugly to look at as well.
Love and kisses from DSD
But israel has been civilised by holding off for so long.
It shouldnt be civilised in war, thats a silly left concept. Give them ample warning. "if you dont stop attacking us, we will carpet bomb all of your cities and rebuild the bloody temple". Say it like you mean it, and if they keep attacking you, then utterly destroy all of palestine, rebuild the temple, and have done with it.
See here for a post on diplomacy that works.
http://sfalphageek.blogspot.com/2005/03/say-it-with-jdams.html
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