Monday, September 18, 2006

Consider Me A Floating Voter

I want to try an experiment. Consider me one of the 'non-Core' floating voters - right now my vote is indeed genuinely up for grabs. I am a former UKIP Branch Chairman and activist, voted Tory once when there was no UKIP (and before Maastricht). Persuade me which (UK) Party I should vote for (or not), and why I should do so.

I await comments with curiosity. I'm sure someone will have an opinion worth reading, and if your from somewhere else but you know a bit about our situation, well dont be afraid to throw your two penneth in either.



Blogger Myrddin Wen said...

I have the feeling you've got your pecker up for a cat-fight...

I would suggest to anyone to go read up on the manifestos, for what they're worth. Then take a look at the history of any party trying to blag your vote. Then make a short list of what you'd like to have the govt / council do and vote for the party nearest your hearts desire.

Just the same as 'pin the tail on the donkey' then.

8:59 PM  
Anonymous Terryqyth said...

DSD, what are you after? Give us your preferences in order of importance and you will be allocated a party to vote for

12:32 AM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

Well, i dont suppose anybody here can tell you more than you already know about British political parties themselves.

I would say though that in terms of the effective weight of your vote, if you do not live in a marginal, the BNP is the undisputable top dog.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vote None of the Above.

1:47 PM  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...

BNP member,

And if I *did* live in a marginal (which OK, I dont - its a pretty safe Tory seat) which party? Now tell me *why* I should vote BNP...


Yes, I have got my pecker up for a good cat-fight, long as people keep it reasonably polite.


Yes I could do that, but I want to make this an experiment that duplicates having canvassers from each Party knocking on my door, or anyone else's for that matter! In fact for those who are new to my Blog, I'd rather you DIDNT read other posts apart from this one because if you get my preferences you will be tempted to tell me what you think I want to hear rather than what you would if you'd just knocked on my door a week before an Election.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Kate said...

Hmm, who should you vote for? Nope, sorry, haven't a clue. I voted Lib Dem in the last two elections because they were the party I disagreed with the least, but that's hardly a recommendation. Instead of telling you who to vote for I would say don't vote new Labour because they have betrayed their principles and the current party are egomaniacal, politically correct, busy bodies. And don't vote Tory because they think that the way to get re-elected is to model themselves on new Labour and tell the electorate whatever they think we want to hear. Sorry, I'm quite disillusioned with the political system at the moment.

I know, vote for the Green Party - lets face it, if we don't save the planet none of the other issues we agree/disagree about will matter.

And now I must try to interpret the turing code - I swear those things become more surreal by the day . . .

9:39 PM  
Anonymous Terry said...

Very difficult - number 1 priority for me is get the current govt out so how best to achieve it. Probably still comes back to voting conservative unless some real conservative movement comes up with a realistic chance of getting a sufficent number of seats.

12:33 AM  
Blogger Tom Tyler said...

Good evening, I represent your Conservative candidate. If I may assume nothing more than that you are rather unhappy with the way the Lab gov't is leading the country and you'd like to see an overall change of direction, then please vote Con. Here's why:
First, the pragmatics: Face facts - elections in the UK are a two-horse race. Either Lab or Con will win outright, and if there is a hung parliament then the LibDems will probably form a coalition with Lab rather than with us.
Now then, you may not like Cameron's style much, but please remember he is only one man, our party holds diverse views among its members. Our last leader campaigned on a simple 5 point plan: Controlled immigration, cleaner hospitals, school discipline, more police and oh I've forgotten the other one. Although we made some gains, it wasn't enough to win. That doesn't mean we've ditched those policies though. No, we've simply hired Cameron to do a PR job and recapture lost ground and win over the media. I know that doesn't sound very principled, and I agree, it's not. but we can't do anything for you unless we actually win an election first.
If you vote for us you will find that the Con party is still a centre-right party and we will govern according to our traditional liberal values: Less statism, lower taxes, individual freedom and enterprise, and the above policies which Howard campaigned on.
Perhaps your own views are more aligned with one of the smaller political parties, and perhaps your preferred party will gradually gain more support over the coming decades. But please face facts: For this election, your choice is between Gordon Brown and David Cameron. One of these two will be the next PM. Neither one may appeal to you 100%, but the choice is which one you would prefer. I can't promise you that not a single one of our MPs will be tainted by sleaze or corruption - politics puts people in positions of power, and power is an aphrodisiac to many. All I can say is that a Con gov't will gradually steer the UK in directions which are opposite to those which Lab want to steer towards.
That's it!

1:37 AM  
Blogger Myrddin Wen said...

Why? Well, anyone who doesn't vote for the BNP next time gets turned into a Toad.

..or a cat, I like cats.

Which would be better than nu-lab / nu-tory turning decent people into drones.

2:04 AM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

Oh, bugger. It doesnt make sense to pretend to be a canvasser with you because you already know lots. Canvassing is only useful to introduce people to politics.. it would make more sense for you to read the manifesto's, as somebody said above, and go from there.

6:10 AM  
Anonymous Stan said...

Vote for the SMP

We believe that a British government should put the interests of the British nation and the British people ABOVE ALL OTHERS. This is for ALL Britons regardless of race or religion.

We believe that a British government should be able to make and amend it's law according to the requirements of it's people and should not allow foreign or international law, treaties or agreements to supercede the will of the British people.

We believe that a nation that is dependent on others will breed a people that are dependent on others. We believe that Britain should be as self-sufficient as it could possibly be - in food production, industry, energy and defence. A self-sufficient, independent nation breeds self-sufficient independent people.

We believe derived rights are inextricably linked to required responsibilities.

We believe that the streets of Britain would be safer if they were policed by police officers on foot patrols.

We believe that the point of the health service is to provide high quality health care for all which is free at the point of delivery. As long as it delivers to these key criteria it should not matter whether it is from public or private sector provision.

We believe teachers should educate and not indoctrinate.

We believe that the married family is crucial to a stable society and must, therefore, receive PREFERENTIAL and PRIVILEGED considerations above all other forms of relationship.

We do not believe in multiculturalism.

We are opposed to unrestricted immigration.

We believe in secure borders.

We believe in constitutional monarchy.

We believe that the government of the day and the current generation of power should always bear in mind that they do not "own" this nation, but are merely caretakers.

We do not believe that this current generation have taken care of this nation.

We are the SMP - the Silent Majority Of People.

Unfortunately we do not have a party that represents us.

10:52 AM  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...

I want Stan to form his own Party!


3:32 PM  
Anonymous sea_cucumber said...

Actually Stan, can you form that party please? I would vote for it!

9:08 PM  
Blogger The Old Nail said...

stan said
"Unfortunately we do not have a party that represents us."

Excellent post stan.
now to quote myrddin wen; "vote for the party nearest your hearts desire." and that would be the BNP then!

Kate- well said! I am as disillusioned as you are. I turned to the BNP after losing faith in all the mainstream hacks, I am not comfortable with all policy, but neither am I 'comfortable' with enforced multiculturalism and political correctness.

9:18 PM  
Blogger The Bournemouth Nationalist said...

Well I was going to write some bullet points about the British National Party's last election manifesto, but Stan has beaten me to it

10:28 PM  
Anonymous Dave said...

Well I have never voted BNP before, but when I read reports like this (and backed up else where).

Its very sad situation.
Something has gotta be done.

1:01 AM  
Anonymous Evilref said...

I think that if you care about the state of politics in England, you should vote SNP. The SNP promise an independent Scotland, and that should, with any luck, lead to all those Scots in the Government -- the Prime Minister, the Chancellor, the Home Secretary, and so on) who are ruining England being sent back where they belong.

Alternatively you could "vote with your feet". That's what we did. One of the nice things about being British and having the cash from selling a house is that our neighbours don't realise that they're living next door to refugees.

Oh, and I'm glad our local politics doesn't have an equivalent of the BNP. But at least my new home country has some chance of being self-sufficient in food and energy.

2:43 PM  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...


You are correct on the West Lothian Question, Scottish Issue or, as I prefer to call it, the Whinging Ungrateful Jock Parasites Question. Though the SNP's idea that it will bring about an independent Scotland WITHIN the EU is laughable, as if any country which is within the EU can be independent!

So where is your new home then? Why do you think there is no 'BNP-equivalent' there?

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Evilref said...

So where is your new home then? Why do you think there is no 'BNP-equivalent' there?

We're currently living in West Galway. There is a racist element here but they're interested in skin colour, not nationality. My appearance is such that nobody realises I'm not local until I open my mouth (my mother's family were from Waterford anyway) and my wife is almost a perfect example of Aryan beauty, even if her parents are from Birmingham.

For years I ranted about immigrants who weren't prepared to learn the local language, so now I'm learning Irish. I'm up to "Dora the Explorer" so far, but I've been here less than three months. But it's a sign that we want to integrate, which helps. People who want to integrate are welcome here.

I'm not aware of any "send the immigrants home" party in the local politics -- and I've looked, both before coming and since arriving, as this is important data -- so if they exist, they're so marginal as to be insignificant.

There is a rumour of a scheme to give immigrants identity cards, but it will only apply to non-EU nationals. Hopefully UKIP will not succeed in the five years it takes us to get naturalised.

Best of all, though, we can buy a smallholding with the equity from our Surrey mid-terrace ex-council-house. So not only can our new country be self-sufficient in food and fuel, so can our family.

9:51 PM  
Anonymous Cllr. Gavin Ayling said...

Stan's comments are exactly like the BNP and they shouldn't be attractive to any self-respecting right-winger!

Trade brings wealth and self-sufficiency (which is another way of saying "trade barriers") will damage the economy.

We must have robust immigration policies that do away with stupid tests that 99% of Brits would fail and that stop further immigration that is not related to marriage. If Britain has a need for a particular skill set, then lets train up.

The West Lothian question has been mentioned here and I strongly believe this needs to be solved. That said, there's no party you can vote for (except the EDP/SNP) that will deliver that particular policy. The best you can hope for, sadly, when choosing a party, is that the government created by that party won't surrender more powers to the EU.

There's only one party that believes in free trade, not surrendering more policies to the EU and robust immigration policies.

You know who that is, it's the party my rosette represents.

8:57 PM  
Blogger Dangerouslysubversivedad said...


Self sufficiency means trade barriers and will damage the economy?!? Now that's just silly isnt it. And considering you are part of a Party which supports EU membership (with all its protectionism) wholeheartedly its a little rich for you to be extolling the virtues of free trade.

And you know very well that since Michael Howard was slapped down by the European Commission that there can be no such thing as an 'immigration policy', robust or otherwise for Britain while we remain in the EU. Which your Party supports.

On the West Lothian question, your comment is purely and simply untrue. UKIP's Policy is purely and simply to get rid of all 129 MSPs and replace them with the 59 Scottish MPs who will only be allowed to vote exclusively on a limited number of devolved issues, so there is a Party prepared to do this.

Likewise your comment on the EU is totally ridiculous - anyone who wants to leave the EU can vote for UKIP or the BNP if that is their desire. The only 'sad' thing is that you continue to follow the traitorous Tory Party line that there is no alternative to EU membership.

So the Tories dont want to surrender 'more policies to the EU'? Hallelujah! So we should be happy that you and Labour between you ONLY gave away control of our Fishing, Agriculture, Immigration, Transport, Health and Safety and that our businesses ONLY have to be crippled by THIS much legislation? That ONLY 75% of our Laws are made by people we cannot elect or dismiss?

That is indeed what your blue rosette stands for - cowardice and surrender. And with people like you to promote it, that rosette will NEVER get my vote again.

9:30 AM  

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