Match This Then
Here's a challenge for all those 'committed anti-fascists' and 'anti-nazis' who love to bleat away at how racist us nasty rightwingers are, usually immediately after launching into theories about how Mossad planned and executed 9/11 and explaining how Israelis are the new Nazis.
Well, now here's someone who most would think is a bit unexpected, to tell al the Left- and, more importantly, the Right-Wing 'Joooooz control the world' crackpots to, well, shut the fuck up and get real, basically.
Who is it? Nick bloody Griffin, that's who. You could've knocked me down with a feather when I read this article, where 'Nazi Nick' lays into, well, the world's neo-Nazis really. And I mean the actual, bona fide 'Joooooz caused WW2, the Holocaust never happened, lets support Iran because they might nuke the Joooooz' nutballs, whose support he freely admits that if he once had, he will now lose.
Yes, it is true that once upon a time Nasty Nick was firmly in that camp himself, a fact he pretty much admits in his article whilst trying his best to convince the world that he now rejects ideas like Jewish control of the media or the 'Holohoax' as it is known. But then if we can elevate Mahmoud Abbas, who wrote an entire book and thesis on the subject of how the Jooooooz actually worked with the Nazis to cause the Holocaust that also never really happened anyway into a 'moderate' why the hell shouldnt Griffin be entitled to 'recant'?
The article appeals to the world on a twofold basis. On a pragmatic level (which is I am sure the only one which the Left will admit is present) he argues that because there is no threat of a Jewish destruction of our societies it is lunacy to be bothered about the Great Jewish Conspiracy, and offers this gem to those nutty enough to side with Islam simply because it is inherently anti-Semitic:
"When the overwhelming majority of the instinctively patriotic people of our nations feel threatened by an alien force which is self-evidently evil by Christian and democratic secular values alike, to place oneself in the position whereby our political opponents can portray you as an enemy sympathiser, a collaborator, a traitor, is political suicide."
Extremely true.
However - and this is why I had the feather moment - having made the pragmatic, politically tactical point, he then goes on to give one of the best demolitions of the whole idea of the Great & Vast Jewish Conspiracy I have ever seen from Left or Right or even an apolitical Jewish source! In years to come people may cite lines like these as textbook rejections of the whole stupid idea:
Why are a disproportionate number of Jews involved in various movements? “So they can control both sides of the argument,” is the fallback position of the doctrinaire anti-Semites, and the fact that they can shift so quickly from ignoring inconvenient facts to incorporating them in their Grand Scheme is an indicator that we are dealing here with cultist faith rather than a rational assessment of facts. Come on, George Soros doesn’t give $15 million to a cause with which he doesn’t agree, and all those leftwing Jews running the anti-war movement aren’t really pro-war and cunningly pretending to be anti-war just to stop the tactical geniuses of the anti-Semitic American ‘right’ from building a mass support base and sweeping to power. The sad truth is that most of them have shown themselves incapable of working out how to sweep a floor, let alone how to sweep to power.
And further:
Now the same people are happily sending around the press statement from Iran’s state-run news agency, Mehr, about the Tehran Holocaust revisionist conference. “Several anti-Zionist rabbis are in Tehran to take part in the conference,” said the statement. What have we here? Good Jews? Mad Jews? Or Satanically devious bad Jews who want to take over Holocaust revisionism and use it in their plot to take over the world?
See what I mean about this conspiracy drivel driving people mad? It is one thing to have a proper history of political conspiracy, such as a history of the Bolsheviks in the Russian Revolution, that accepts the standards of normal historical evidence. It is quite another to have a conspiracy theory that won't accept such evidence because it believes that the conspiracy is so powerful that it can fake any evidence it needs, and therefore forms an intellectual 'closed loop' from which there is no escape. Such a theory can 'prove' any possible claim and ignore any possible fact. Even if some of the facts on which it relies are true, the overall effect is therefore to take the theory out of the world of real history and to place it in the realms of pseudo-religious faith.
Well, quite. So what are we to make of this unexpected and bizarre recanting of previous conspiracy-theorism? Is it all a 'devious plot' to make the BNP seem like it has renounced all ties with 'Fascism' or 'Neo-Nazism' by denouncing Neo-Nazism's most sacred canard? This is no doubt what the Left will claim, whilst equally certainly the MSM will pretend it was never published in the first place. Well, if its all just Nasty Nick trying to pull a fast one on us all, let's see how the very people he is 'not really' attacking for their nutball beliefs have reacted.
Oh dear. If this really is all just a put up job, I don't think those bright boys and girls at Stormfront have had the memo, have they...
So here's a challenge for all those lovable 'anti-racists' like say cuddly Ken Livingstone who exclude attacks on Jews from their 'wars on racism'. Fucking well match Griffin. Go on, show us that you reject the doctrinaire anti-Semitism of both neo-Nazis and Muslims, just like he has.
Put up, or shut the fuck up about your 'anti-racist' credentials forever.
Well, now here's someone who most would think is a bit unexpected, to tell al the Left- and, more importantly, the Right-Wing 'Joooooz control the world' crackpots to, well, shut the fuck up and get real, basically.
Who is it? Nick bloody Griffin, that's who. You could've knocked me down with a feather when I read this article, where 'Nazi Nick' lays into, well, the world's neo-Nazis really. And I mean the actual, bona fide 'Joooooz caused WW2, the Holocaust never happened, lets support Iran because they might nuke the Joooooz' nutballs, whose support he freely admits that if he once had, he will now lose.
Yes, it is true that once upon a time Nasty Nick was firmly in that camp himself, a fact he pretty much admits in his article whilst trying his best to convince the world that he now rejects ideas like Jewish control of the media or the 'Holohoax' as it is known. But then if we can elevate Mahmoud Abbas, who wrote an entire book and thesis on the subject of how the Jooooooz actually worked with the Nazis to cause the Holocaust that also never really happened anyway into a 'moderate' why the hell shouldnt Griffin be entitled to 'recant'?
The article appeals to the world on a twofold basis. On a pragmatic level (which is I am sure the only one which the Left will admit is present) he argues that because there is no threat of a Jewish destruction of our societies it is lunacy to be bothered about the Great Jewish Conspiracy, and offers this gem to those nutty enough to side with Islam simply because it is inherently anti-Semitic:
"When the overwhelming majority of the instinctively patriotic people of our nations feel threatened by an alien force which is self-evidently evil by Christian and democratic secular values alike, to place oneself in the position whereby our political opponents can portray you as an enemy sympathiser, a collaborator, a traitor, is political suicide."
Extremely true.
However - and this is why I had the feather moment - having made the pragmatic, politically tactical point, he then goes on to give one of the best demolitions of the whole idea of the Great & Vast Jewish Conspiracy I have ever seen from Left or Right or even an apolitical Jewish source! In years to come people may cite lines like these as textbook rejections of the whole stupid idea:
Why are a disproportionate number of Jews involved in various movements? “So they can control both sides of the argument,” is the fallback position of the doctrinaire anti-Semites, and the fact that they can shift so quickly from ignoring inconvenient facts to incorporating them in their Grand Scheme is an indicator that we are dealing here with cultist faith rather than a rational assessment of facts. Come on, George Soros doesn’t give $15 million to a cause with which he doesn’t agree, and all those leftwing Jews running the anti-war movement aren’t really pro-war and cunningly pretending to be anti-war just to stop the tactical geniuses of the anti-Semitic American ‘right’ from building a mass support base and sweeping to power. The sad truth is that most of them have shown themselves incapable of working out how to sweep a floor, let alone how to sweep to power.
And further:
Now the same people are happily sending around the press statement from Iran’s state-run news agency, Mehr, about the Tehran Holocaust revisionist conference. “Several anti-Zionist rabbis are in Tehran to take part in the conference,” said the statement. What have we here? Good Jews? Mad Jews? Or Satanically devious bad Jews who want to take over Holocaust revisionism and use it in their plot to take over the world?
See what I mean about this conspiracy drivel driving people mad? It is one thing to have a proper history of political conspiracy, such as a history of the Bolsheviks in the Russian Revolution, that accepts the standards of normal historical evidence. It is quite another to have a conspiracy theory that won't accept such evidence because it believes that the conspiracy is so powerful that it can fake any evidence it needs, and therefore forms an intellectual 'closed loop' from which there is no escape. Such a theory can 'prove' any possible claim and ignore any possible fact. Even if some of the facts on which it relies are true, the overall effect is therefore to take the theory out of the world of real history and to place it in the realms of pseudo-religious faith.
Well, quite. So what are we to make of this unexpected and bizarre recanting of previous conspiracy-theorism? Is it all a 'devious plot' to make the BNP seem like it has renounced all ties with 'Fascism' or 'Neo-Nazism' by denouncing Neo-Nazism's most sacred canard? This is no doubt what the Left will claim, whilst equally certainly the MSM will pretend it was never published in the first place. Well, if its all just Nasty Nick trying to pull a fast one on us all, let's see how the very people he is 'not really' attacking for their nutball beliefs have reacted.
Oh dear. If this really is all just a put up job, I don't think those bright boys and girls at Stormfront have had the memo, have they...
So here's a challenge for all those lovable 'anti-racists' like say cuddly Ken Livingstone who exclude attacks on Jews from their 'wars on racism'. Fucking well match Griffin. Go on, show us that you reject the doctrinaire anti-Semitism of both neo-Nazis and Muslims, just like he has.
Put up, or shut the fuck up about your 'anti-racist' credentials forever.
posted by Dangerouslysubversivedad at 9:56 PM
17 Comments:
Gotta take issue with you over this one. I've read Griffin's statement, but it doesn't fool me. Although he is correct to drop the anti-Jewish stance, he isn't doing it because it is a load of rubbish; He has his eye on the main chance for power, that is all. Nobody in Britain gives two hoots about the Jews or Zionism as "the enemy" right now, we're all too concerned about the Islamic threat. Griffin has merely recognised that fact, and so he's decided to drop anti-zionism from the agenda, for as long as it suits the BNP's purposes. He is right to do so, but he is right for the wrong reasons. I'll bet you that Nick Griffin still hates the Jews as much as he hates Muslims, it's just that it is politically inexpedient to say so right now, because it aint the Jews who are causing terrorism round the world, and people are beginning to realise that. Better to stick to one enemy at a time, if it wins you votes.
Griffin is right about Islam in general, but please don't trust him on the Jews - they are the object of his hatred just as much. It's just better for him to keep quiet about it for the time being. That's my gut feeling, anyway.
Anyway, at least, as the leader of a political party, Griffin is more honest and upfront about his beliefs than Blair or Cameron are. I have the feeling that if I met Griffin privately and talked to him, he'd be honest with me about his views. If I met Blair, it would be like trying to talk to the monkey on the organ-grinder's shoulder.
Wasn't so much meant to be in praise of Griffin as a challenge to the Left. Yes, Griffin's main motive probably is pure pragmatism, but whether you think he is sincere or not you can't deny that he has done a thorough demolition job on the Great Zionist Conspiracy, even if ironically enough he still subscribes to the Neocon Theory...
What I'm looking for is to see if any Leftie 'anti-racist' has the balls to be un-PC enough to match him. They won't.
Hurrah! i meant to pass that on to you.
Can i have a link now please? ;)
Heh, you never give up do you? I'll think on it, I'll think on it. Whilst in general I'm nearly as sceptical as Tom about all this in terms of Griffin's motive (and I still think is all this Neocon stuff is a bit crackpot), I'm certainly feeling much more kindly disposed towards the man now than in the past.
Tom, I don't think the BNP are the anti-jew that they are made out to be in the MSM. BNP even has members that are Jewish (if the artical I saw wasn't lying).
Its like in France the MSM constantly try to imply "anti-semitism" is coming from Le Pens National Front when in reality it is Muslims.
I've no doubt they will try to play the same tricks in this country when they get a chance.
Well I can testify to the truth of that because the BNP organiser for Bournemouth (next door pair of constituencies) is Jewish, albeit totally secular.
There is undeniably still a small but significant hard core of BNP members/supporters who ARE total 'Zionist Conspiracy' boneheads, which is the main reason why I havent linked to Gareth's Blog yet, as he knows. But they are starting to haemorrhage away toward the National Front (which is their more natural home) and more are certainly going to go in light of this statement. This might be the thing that finally turns the BNP into a real electoral force rather than a fringe party. I await developments with interest.
So while even you acknowledge that Griffin has an obvious interest in speaking out against anti-semitism, being on the anti-Islam path right now instead, you don't think this blatant opportunism matters? He goes up highly in your estimation anyway.
And as for your furious attack on anybody who regards themselves as anti-racist, I think you need to calm your irrational rage and realise that real anti-racists hate islamo-fascists just as much as they hate people like you.
Again, I'm aware you might not publish my comment, so I might just post about your blog on my own, to be heard if nothing else.
Phu,
The honorary head of the UAF is Ken 'Go back to your own country' Livingstone. On which planet do the 'anti-racists' you know condemn anti-Semitism as forthrightly as Griffin just has? Yes, its tactics. But my challenge remains - instead of bleating about how nasty I am how about you meet it?
Its not tactics on my part, i like jews, always have, and support israel too.
I think it's clear that Palestinians and other Muslims are currently in times of oppression, and therefore those who are concerned with the civil liberties of man take up their cause. For all that has gone and unfortunately continues today regarding the Jewish community, I don't see how you could say the Jewish community is facing the kind of crisis that many Muslims face.
While it remains of upmost importance to stand up for the rights of anybody under attack, it is understandable that the most noise should be made concerning the biggest issues of the day.
When the plight of the Jews was the biggest issue of the day, Griffin would have been wearing an SS uniform.
And as for Ken Livingstone - I hold no truck with him, the man's a patronising idiot.
This is a complex issue. Griffin is well read around the Jewish Question and he understands that many leading Jews have used their power and influence against the best interests of the British people. He also understands the arguments of the Holocaust revisionists and largely agrees with them (as do I). But Griffin is a politician - he aim is to save the British people and their way of life from extinction - and as a politician he will jockey for advantage where he feels he must. This article is an attempt to take advantage of Jewish concerns over the encroachment of Islam and seek to enlist the Jewish lobby on his side. In doing so he is tacitly recognising the Jewish Power which his article argues does nt really exist.
Against The Wall - making out that Griffin is somehow doing this to enlist the 'Jewish Lobby' is buying into the same nonsense that he has just tried to disassociate himself and his Party from. Your argument is that Griffin is trying to beat the influence of the Jews by...allying himself with them? Think about it.
Phu,
What crisis is it that Muslims are facing?!? A significant percentage of 'British' Muslims very recently acknowledged in Polling that they think 'Jewish targets' in Britain are legitimate! How many Mosques have been attacked by Jews lately?
The only crises Muslims are facing are the ones caused every time they open their mouths to tell us what they really think. And as for the goddamn Palestinians, we are talking about literally the most subsidised nation on earth - the only crisis the Palis are suffering is the continued existence of those nasty old Jooooooz. How can you call yourself an 'anti-racist' and then say we should feel sorry for a 'nation' which has just elected a Party dedicated to wiping out every single Jew from the face of the earth?
I know all about the disgusting anti-Jewish sentiment that exists. But you seem to ignore the reasons it exists, being the taking of land from one people and giving it to another, who subsequently subject the land's previous "owners" to the undeniable oppression the Israeli's have forced Palestinians to live under. There are voices in South Africa who have noted the irony of the Jewish people who once attacked the system of apartheid becoming oppressors themselves. But again, I don't seek to justify the disgusting rants against Jews made by radical Islamics, who I personally would like to see stuck in solitary confinement cells for the rest of their days.
As for the crisis I would argue Muslims are facing, well, we could be here forever, debating the international circumstances we would no doubt hold radically different views on.
Phu,
Anti-Semitism is intrinsic to Islam. It was intrinsic to Islam BEFORE Israel was created. The Koran positively seethes with it. Hitler had his own tame mufti, and found eager recruits for Waffen SS Divisions from amongst Muslim communities under Nazi control. The idea that it is 'all about Israel' is a myth used by Islamic apologists.
This land was not 'given to Israel' - it was bought and paid for by Jews, who took desert and turned it into fertile land, undergoing constant attacks from Arabs scared by this sudden surge in immigration from their ancient enemy.
All the Jews wanted to do was live in peace on a relatively small area of land which the Arabs didnt goddamn want anyway! But still they tried to exterminate them - over and over and over again, and over and over again they have failed.
You have no concept of what it is like living with a people as your neighbours who want you dead, your children dead and probably the cat as well. The Palestinians are not 'oppressed', they are CONTAINED. That's what you do with a dangerous animal that would savage you given the chance - you contain it, stop it getting to you, only let it loose within its own environs.
I've heard all this Israel as South Africa bollocks before. You talk about wanting to stick radical islamists in solitary confinement - great, I'm all for that. Read the Hamas Charter, the one written by the people these 'oppressed' Palestinians just ELECTED. It doesnt get much more radical than that - but I'm sure several million Palis dont count as 'radical' for you. Ask yourself why.
Not really sure what Im buying into DSD. I just think I see Griffin's motives (enlisting the Jewish Lobby) disprove the thrust of his article (that there is no Jewish Lobby).
Of course I could be wrong about Griffin's motive but having made anti-Islam the arrowhead of the BNP's effort to gain support I can't believe he is nt thinking my enemies enemy. Routine cynical manoeuvring I would have thought.
In saying that I dont agree with Tom T that Griffin hates Jews and Moslems. He does hate the white liberals who have transformed Britain racially and socially. He is understanding of immigrants and their desire to better themselves by coming.
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